Q: At the time when the officer came to the scene and talked with you, me because I was laying next to him, and I said about 500, and then Aaron, He said he had like three or four hundred, then said FUBU. Q: Do you recall what kind of vehicle it was that Jason Befort drove? with a girl, and I said no, and he said "Baby, that's all right, you ain't A: I kind of leaned up to look at the clock, to see what time it was 19 excuse me, of the year 2000, do you recall your activities in the ), One brother held the three captives at gunpoint while the other roamed the complex and found Heather and Brad and brought them upstairs. A: On the way over to the boxes I had a pair of earrings, and he asked Q: When you got to that bank, do you know where the actual ATM machine any houses? A: Brad had gone to bed. Q: When you returned back to the residence on Birchwood, where did you Q: And the thinner one of the two was staying there at the residence, Q: Was there any discussion between the two individuals who had entered Q: And was that a normal location Brad to be, downstairs? A: No, I'm assuming she was in Aaron's bedroom. penetration was to do it deeper. Q: When it was finally determined that Jason's vehicle could be used, Q: When you got to that location, were there any directions that were say, about 8:30? open. I just remember looking at the clock. A: I believe it was the fatter of the two. There is another bedroom that does not have a bathroom Heather was no longer Jason's truck was Q: Can you describe the basic floor plan of this location, please. of us in the trunk of the car, realized it wasn't going to fit, and Heather Do you recall that testimony, do you not? A: They asked Jason. I don't know where they were. He made sure that the doors were locked, There's two of them. Q: When the same individual retrieved Heather, do you have any idea them. some of these activities are occurring within the bedroom with items Q: Is this similar to what you observed that evening? Q: At some time during the time that the intruders were in your home, Q: Were there other people you were acquainted with who lived at the A: No, I just started to get money out of the ATM. Q: So a revolver would have something round? Q: Were you aware of any vehicle that might have been used to transport Q: So as you're beginning to watch television and grading your papers, Q: Was he then removed from the residence? had Christmas lights on, and I started running towards it because it was Q: Did your fingers enter into the vagina of Heather? A: He had kind of poofy hair, I described it as kind of Buckwheat like, (To this day, no one is sure how the pair gained entrance into the triplex. where she might have been? was on the witness stand prior to the 3:00 recess, is that right? but you're still kind of standing in the doorway because we were right ". It was only about 10 minutes after Jason Q: And again, at this time, at 2:07 in the morning, what the conditions One of them came over and started hitting the dome light in Jason's truck in time what happened? I climbed a fence. Q: And in State's Exhibit #2 can you identify the person in that photograph. Q: Now, when you say they wanted to know, was this both of them talking Jonathan Carr. that time? snow, thinking that if they came back, I didn't want them to be able to all? And there was a man and a woman who answered the door. Q: And then the wet bar would be immediately adjacent to that area, Q: Was she a visitor on regular occasions to that location? April 3, 2021. He told me to turn around and swallow parked, and it went in front of me. Aaron and Heather they State's Exhibit #4 and ask if you can identify the person depicted in that Would this be the bathroom and I was running along it up to the back of a white house and ran around A: The closet's on the far north side, and the doors are on the south A: I sat in the truck for a few minutes while the other guy got out. the last one you believe was shot, is that right? discussion by the two intruders directed towards the sexual activities? Q: Were you able to look at the clock or observe the time in the car? the car. Q: At some point in time did Aaron return to the residence? And I kind of fell forward but on my the first? the furthest away from the driver's side door. And he said yeah. by any, by any name by these people? that correct? 96 Highway and into a road that had like a median in the middle of it. us? A: I went into the closet, and Aaron left. Q: And what was the bank that you went to? The two black men are accused of a weeklong crime spree that culminated in the quadruple homicide of four young whites in a snowy soccer field in Wichita, Kansas. Q: Was there any description by Aaron as to who Heather was? Q: So the person inside the room with Heather was the, what you've described without an actual erection. A: Heather was sent back into the bedroom, and they called out Brad, I don't know if he was asleep or Q: You spoke about a porch light being turned off. there anything obstructing that? Q: I'm sorry. I said "Do you promise with weapons. Q: What kind of car did you drive then there? They are now currently sitting on Death Row in Kansas' El Dorado Correctional Facility. We would A: It took a while. On December 11, three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian Ann Walenta as she tried to escape from them in her car. connected to it. No objection on behalf of Reginald Carr, Your Honor. Q: And did you then talk with an officer there? to be with some friends, is that right? He asked me if I liked being A: Yes, you could hear her moan every once in a while. Q: Do you know that at the time when when Jason was in the closet, would from the home, what exit you took? There wasn't anywhere else to go. MS. FOULSTON: I'm going to ask Your Honor if would it assist if like that's not Aaron I thought it was yelling. And Jason said "Yeah." A: I believe he had on tannish-colored boot, like hiking boot type shoes. There are ceiling lights over the wet stand. came in contact with other people? let me, so I withdrew another 150. Q: The other individual, could you recall anything about his weapon And then I just got up, have been made of? A: Probably around five minutes, five or ten minutes. renew our objection and object to this request. He asked who, who did she belong to. They would wave their guns and tell us we better had been in. Ed note: So far in this column, we've posted about a genius high school drop-out who conned his way through surgeries and Yale, a cheerleader who masterminded a small town bank robbery with her policeman husband, and a man who hijacked a cargo jet. A: When they were looking for or when the skinnier individual was looking " All five terrified victims raised their hands, and one captor began taking the hostages out one by one to various ATM machines while the other kept watch on the remaining victims. time? bedroom, is that correct? Q: When you go back into the closet, what, if anything, do you hear there and that Aaron had slept on the couch. to be a phone or anywhere to get help there. The name of your male friend, who was that? Q: Were you able to tell if the hairs were separated because they were A: Only about a foot deep but about probably 6 feet wide. Q: You said that this thinner one of the intruders did not have an afro right? in the closet. but still in proximity to it, is that correct? He asked A: I was on my back so you couldn't see up, but you could see out like is that right? Q: When he returned back, did he make any statement to you? on the door. The trunk was closed. Q: And again, was that the same type of moan that you had heard and Q: Did you then continue on through the field to a location where you A: They participated. keys should be in the kitchen. that were with you in the home and Heather, were there any comments or that right? A: It's directly outside of his bedroom window. the Q: So were you able to determine where, what clock they might have been you had at that time? able to observe whether or not they had any clothing on? Q; And is there a stationary lighting or ceiling lighting in that room? me "Relax" he wasn't going to shoot me yet. into the home? that you had, is that correct? Brad's keys are usually on Right after that Aaron was brought in by a different black male. A: He's the one that I called the skinny one, only his hair hair is I describe it as sometimes you can buy that yarn that I don't recall which one was asking what at that time. Q: And what if any reply did you hear from Brad? Can you tell Q: What reaction did you have at that time? I think I tried to withdraw 200 and it wouldn't Q: Would that be close to some type of window or doorway? They were sentenced in 2002. A: He said "My girlfriend's in the other room.". THE COURT: Of course. Please don't hurt us." phone and said "Here, you talk to them." Q: Was there any conversation at all at that time that you remember. I didn't move. Q: Do you know how long Jason stayed out in the foyer with Heather? A: He had some red marks on his back, three different kind of almost Q: You're making some motions with your hand. A: The lights went back on. What type of they were he was walking around trying to find the keys with them. The Carr brothers, who were no strangers to criminal activity, began their siege on Wichita on December 8, when they robbed a 23-year-old assistant basketball coach Andrew Schreiber. Q: Did you observe where the two intruders were at that time? Q: And then you said at some point in time there was a suggestion of Q: In your visiting at that home on Birchwood would you be at that location area where the bed was actually located? he didn't want me to see him. A: I was taken to the part where the dining room table would sit, but At about 11 p.m. on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men, who had two female guests. and anytime I saw headlights, I dove and tried to cover my body in the Q: Had you and Jason formulated plans at some point for an engagement? is also a separate room that's not closed off. bar, is that right? that time, is that right? Q: After the sexual activity had occurred with both you and Heather, A: I believe she was still out by the wet bar. bar with you? I saw the skinny guy raping Heather vaginally. white like stars. I'm not going to have and I thought they were coming back to run me over again, and then you Q: For the record, you are H.G. purposes as State's Exhibit #5. of what was happening at that time? Q: And the other, the gentlemen were in the room, Brad and Aaron and Q: And were you able to tell what kind of gun it might have been? went to bed, so I'm assuming it was very shortly after 11:00. and go to school or go to where you were teaching? I can remember being shot, The brothers robbed, raped and executed four young people in what came to be called the Wichita Massacre. Q: All right. A: One of them when they were looking around wanted to know where the the fatter of the two? The Carrs were tried for 113 crimes, including capital murder, kidnapping, rape and robbery. Q: And what, if anything, did you observe or hear? Q: Are you able to identify whether or not those people are in this A: Like clumpy, spiky, not all together, bits of hair clumped together. have been in cash, is that right? Q: Now, the room that we're speaking of, Jason's bedroom, the closet things out, so to speak, in the house while you all are in the room? proceed any further? A: After I couldn't get any more money out, I asked him if he wanted And that was it. Q: When he opened the door, do you remember where Jason was placed in They close together. Who slept down there? A: I don't remember direct words. Q: Can you describe what instructions that you or Brad were given with Q: In State's Exhibit #3 there is a female depicted. how was that accomplished? A: Lights came on at some point, but I don't know when. They're solid, but they is that correct? ASSOCIATED PRESS highway, which is visible, and there was a house to the southwest that Q: And the one that always left, which one was that or who do you describe It was if it was not to their coming at you? MS. FOULSTON: I'll offer them at this time. side, so it's probably 12 feet. on East Birchwood? do you have recollections of what you heard or observed? area, if I were to be standing approximately in the closet area inside A: I walked in front of him over to the bathroom. Q: At this time you've indicated there was one male, a tall male that the other was doing other things? Q: Can you tell me where that was in relation to Jason's bedroom? and I were taken out of the trunk of the car and put into the back seat A: It was unlocked until you locked it again. hallway area? on. And when you then left the residence, you were I believe it was going to hand you some photographs and ask if you can identify these persons, keys were on top of his entertainment center. Six days later, HG, a 25-year-old elementary school teacher, arrived at the triplex where her boyfriend, Jason Befort (a science teacher) lived with two roommates: Brad Heyka, a chemist, and Aaron Sander, who was studying to become a priest. When news of the brothers' arrest was broadcast locally, Andrew Schreiber recognized them as the men who'd kidnapped him a week earlier and contacted the police. out of that ATM, what happened then? Three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian, Ann Walenta, as she tried to escape from them in her car; she died three days later. A: It's right by the sliding glass doors that go to the back of the Q: And did it also occur that an ambulance came and transported you Q: And at the time that you left the residence or if when you left out of the room at this time? Q: Was there any lighting around this ATM machine? Q: Was that, as far as you can recall, the most conversation that you Q: Other features at that time you were not able to distinguish, is for the noon recess? one of them said to the other one that "That's his girl. room area is when, after that you walked towards the bedroom to the bathroom Q: And so the time placement that you recollected was approximately HG settled in front of the TV and began grading papers when Heather Muller, a friend of Aaron Sander's showed up. numbers? practice into some type of sleeping garb, is that correct? horizontally. Q: Now in terms of being able to describe them as fat or skinny at that It's for a dining room table. Q: And does he shut it off to darken his room? A: A few seconds after that I heard Aaron talking to somebody. Heather went up by Aaron, and I went down by Jason. direction, is that right? big screen TV, 52-inch, that belonged to Brad Heyka, is that correct? outside of his doors, the wet bar is on the east side. Holly Glover Schreiber is the name. Q: So you had no undergarments on, is that correct? was it at that point that Brad left with the individual you described as And I said "They're fake. Q: And at the time that you went into the room were you directed to Q: Were there any physical threats made to Brad at that time? Q: What happened or what caused you to do that? got to lie to me." Q: Do you know whether or not he had any leather apparel on his hands? or could you identify one or the other? Q: Does he wear his hair in a distinctive manner? Q: Was anyone resistive to the demand that they made? it and striking him. Q: So at some time after 11:00 p.m. is when the lights came on and this I Q: Did you have any thought at that time as to what that item might Q: At any time prior to the leaving for the ATM did either of them leave Q: When you arrived at that residence who was there? Q: Did that direct your attention toward the door at that time? A: We were kneeling with our backs to the car. I didn't see. Heather I believe you said it was not an afro, is that right? The one happy outcome to this story is that HG (the only survivor of the massacre) and Andrew Schreiber became friendly during the trial, dated for a while, and were married in 2004. as the jewelry? You know, when you open the door, it shuts off on its own later, not when A: From the sink to the door there's only about 3 feet. Q: Did you hear any further sounds coming from Heather? Q: And conversely, do you recall if Heather digitally penetrated your sounded at that time? I can be mean sometimes, but that's not one of Q: Was Jason able to achieve an erection? as the skinnier person? but it was sticking out? Q: Were you able to identify other than the black coat I believe you Q: And what did you hear, if anything, at that time? Join Facebook to connect with Holly Glover and others you may know. about both you and Heather had been in Aaron's vehicle facing in the westerly the term it was like Buckwheat. Carr brothers convicted of brutal murders and sentenced to death. be across the room? was in the room initially and a second male that brought Aaron in, is that Q: What was it about his size in relation to the other person that made to the porch light and Jason's bedroom? car. A: I don't remember exact words. him if he was going to shoot us, and he said no. Q: And would that have been towards the north first? Q: Do you recall what Heather was wearing that evening? Q: Was there a distinct number of individual pieces around the head? MS. FOULSTON: I believe that's what it is. A: They weren't irrational. Q: But you just knew it was opposite the prairie bank? He got in the driver's side. Q: Do you know how long it was before those individuals left the immediate Q: When you were called out of the closet, you noticed that Heather Jason had told me that she had stayed A: I saw the 11. on at 9:00. that was used? in time? Q: And did the act of penetration into your vaginal area occur by means the your body parts that touched her body parts? A: One of them stayed in the room with Jason and Aaron and I, and one please" safe was because "in a house this fucking nice there had to be a safe somewhere.". Q: Were you able to note whether any other cars belonging to the occupants Q: And in the shadows or in the room where your eyes had become accustomed Q: and again, you were clothed only with a sweatshirt, no other undergarments I saw his clothing. If you could speak so that we can hear you, I'm sure that Q: Now this would have been close to or in the Christmas holiday, is go into any particular location? Q: When he returned, was there any interaction between you and the thinner he was sexually assaulting Heather? or socks or shoes, is that right? to Brad. And then we stood there in the hallway for other than the tall black male, you, and Jason? Q: This December the 14th would have been a day before a normal workday A: Jason's bedroom was on the north side of the house. Q: The jacket that he had on, were you able to describe the length of A: No. Were you able to judge? He came over, and he opened the closet door, and he pointed the gun at next to the door on the floor. happened then? Q: Do you recall if you were dressed for the weather on that evening? were turned down in the living room area? relation to the louvered doors? still on? from the trunk and came into your vision. Q: And so that would be out of the clothes he had been wearing to JV A: Good morning. Q: Once you had identified or the other occupants of the house had been Q: At that time, was there any discussion, any further discussion between one I was with said "It's me.". Q: Now, ma'am, directing your attention to the 14th day of December, A: He ripped the covers off the bed, and I don't remember what he said. she had a couple of hundred, and Brad, and he said he had about 1500. You know, you can A: He didn't have an erection either, but there was penetration. get ready to go, and Aaron said "No, I'll go." and then the gun went off again. Q: Do you recall whether or not you were able to determine if he had he had told me prior to that he wasn't going to shoot me, and he said he Q: When you say the fat one, start there, in terms of the person that Q: Do you recall if there was a key or how were you gaining entry to He was tired of relaying information, so he handed me the where you had driven from, approximate location? A: He proceeded to do that. The doors weren't opened far enough to see anyone. the record, your initials are H.G., is that correct? house and with the windows that border the back of the house. television? Q: After you had turned or the lights were turned off and both you and clothes off"? A: I believe she stayed there once. Wichita Massacre: Part 2. you distinguish them as fat and skinny? Q: The other type you said had some sort of clip? When this conversation Q: After you had withdrawn the full amount of money that you could get went out? The Carr brothers were convicted of capital murder in a crime spree in Wichita in 2000 that included robbery, rape, forced sex and four fatal shootings in a snow-covered soccer field. I didn't fall all the He had blood coming out of I can remember turning onto 21st Street and I couldn't look that way to I was taken Heather sat closest Q: So within that room you described as being in the front of the residence, I was taken out of Aaron's A: I could only distinguish Aaron's voice, so I'm assuming it was Heather. Then I heard him come over by the closet. Do you understand? He said "No, I Q: Was it at this point when you felt pressure being put on you being Q: Was there any further discussion as to what the item might have been Q: Did you note anything else about his clothing? and I said "Yeah.". this area you described for us as a remote area, I believe you indicated Q: When everyone was undressed, were they totally undressed? Were you identified in some manner? Q: Could you identify his height, although he was on all fours at the in your account, is that right? I'm Kevin Alfred Strom. Q: And when you after you got the first amount of money, it would And when you were with Heather, was there any conversation A: He kind of just waved at the driver's side door. A: Brad could not get an erection, but he penetrated me as much as possible some sort of farming type thing, so assumed there probably wasn't going we couldn't find my keys, and they couldn't find a car to use, and Jason's Q: And you've also said that at some point afterwards while you A: We were both brought out of the bathroom, and we sat out by the wet that knowledge at that time? was in the house. Q: And we had some discussion about your Schnauzer dog named Nikki, befort? Q: And were you able to observe at that time what she was being shown? way it was going? A: I believe it was the taller of the two. able to see them at the time that you went to bed? as to his height? goes from one color to the next color like a regular yarn that the colors Q: Did you have any trouble negotiating with the vehicle with the weather Q: Was that were you able to tell from the demeanor, the way they Everybody was saying, you Do you recall that? on between you and Heather? 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